And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire (Rev. 4:32; 3 Ne. Outer darkness is something which cannot be described, except that it is to be placed beyond the benign and comforting influence of the Spirit of Godbanished entirely from his presence. The terms spiritual death or second death, lake of fire and brimstone, and outer darkness are all synonymous with hell, and all are descriptive of both the temporary and the permanent hell. . They have said things much stranger and I am sure you know of them. Thank you! They once held membership in the church (through baptism/confirmation); They had full knowledge of their apostasy from the true and restored church of Jesus Christ; They continue to fight against the LDS Church despite their knowledge. Italics in original). The Book of Mormon speaks of only two groups who inhabit the postmortal spirit world: the righteous, who exist in a state of happiness called paradise; and the wicked, who are consigned to outer darknessthe wicked being those who have been captivated by the devil and who will be resurrected to an endless hell. For example, John saw the judgment in vision and wrote that death and hell delivered up the dead . First, LDS Church scripture uses the term outer darkness to refer to a condition in the spirit world. The first three are referred to as the three degrees of glory, often compared to the sun, the moon, and the stars (D&C 76:70 . A lot of people wanted a source on that. They believe that they are mortal men capable of mistakes just like the rest of us. I said: I dont know and he said, How can I find outI just called Spencer Kimball and he told me he didnt know either. John identified specific sins that would lead to the lake of fire and brimstone: But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death (Rev. You dont believe it is true, which is the reason why you left. In Outer Darkness, there is endless lamentation and no divine presence. Through his Atonement, Resurrection, and ministry in the spirit world, Christ provided a bridge by which repentant souls could cross the gulf from hell to spiritual freedom. . 28:2223). To look closer at this possibility, lets break humans into two categories: 1) Those who have never been Mormon; 2) Those who are or once were Mormon. In short, Outer Darkness is eternal torture. The Book of Mormon discusses with great clarity the ultimate punishment reserved exclusively for the sons of perdition, or those who are filthy still (2 Ne. And as such I would qualify. Conclusion The Book of Mormon text confirms the truth of New Testament teachings on hell, second death, lake of fire and brimstone, and outer darkness. After inspecting the intruder, the king instructed his servants, Bind him hand and foot, and take him away, and cast him into outer darkness; there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth (Matt. The views expressed . It occurs in a doctrinal discussion Alma conducted with his son Corianton. (To see the differences between the three kingdoms of glory, click here.) it could be a reference for the resurrected who gain inheritance on other worlds but without the fulness of Pingback: The Shunning Key by bwv549 - Mormon Bandwagon, A Son of Perdition is: Outer darkness is something which cannot be described, except that we know that it is to be placed beyond the benign and comforting influence of the Spirit of God banished entirely from his presence (Doctrines of Salvation2:220). Your generous support makes the work of MRM possible. This is what was taught by several important church leaders, including founder Joseph Smith. Johns announcement of death and hell releasing their dead for judgment is augmented by the Book of Mormon prophet Jacob, who taught the same doctrine but provided significantly more detail. Generally, the outer darkness is thought to be hell; however, many Christians associate the outer darkness more generally as a place of separation from God or from the metaphorical "wedding banquet" that Jesus is expected to have upon his Second Coming . Mormon doctrines are often contradictory and inconsistent. Followers 0. Although this is an obvious scare tactic, this accusation is not true according to important LDS leaders. The Book of Mormon contains six references to the second death: one reference by Jacob (Jacob 3:11), three by Alma (Alma 12:16, 32; 13:30), and two by Samuel the Lamanite (Hel. They are sons of perdition because, Having denied the Holy Spirit after having received it, and having denied the Only Begotten Son of the Father, having crucified him unto themselves and put him to open shame (D. & C. 76:35). To qualify, a person would not only have to leave the Mormon church but also vehemently speak against it. He was not ignorant, and therefore he became perdition, and they who followed him were sons of perdition, because he and they sinned knowingly. The punishment which is given from my hand is endless punishment, D&C 19:10-12. FAIRMormon says on this page even: When any man, except the President of the Church, undertakes to proclaim one unsettled doctrine, as among two or more doctrines in dispute, as the settled doctrine of the Church, we may know that he is not moved upon by the Holy Ghost, unless he is acting under the direction and by the authority of the President. Making the LDS Church Slightly Better: A Members Wish List, You continue to fight against the true church, Those spirits who rebelled against God in the preexistence are the original sons of perdition. Sons of Perdition are to be cast out with the devil and his angels into outer darkness. He called the Pharisees and scribes vipers and questioned, How can ye escape the damnation of hell? (Matt. Banishment into outer darkness. Outer darkness is something which cannot be described, except that we know that it is to be placed beyond the benign and comforting influence of the Spirit of God-banished entirely from his presence. 14:1519). The New Testament testifies that there is an actual place identified as hell into which people can be cast, as in the case of the wicked, and from which they can lift up their eyes, as in the case of the rich man, and from which they can be delivered, as in the case of King David. (1) We believe in trimming our wicks to 1/4 between each burn. Smith described these spirits who were the first to display rebellious ways: Lucifer became perdition by rebellion. So we can clearly state no women are Sons of Perdition in outer darkness. That last part of the previous sentence is very important. It is impossible for those who never joined Mormonism to become sons of perdition. He wrote. Discourse delivered October 8, 1861, pp. Other sources used in composing this topic: http://en.fairmormon.org/Plan_of_salvation/Sons_of_Perdition/Can_women_be_%22Sons_of_Perdition%22, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Outer_darkness#Usage_in_the_Latter_Day_Saint_movement, http://en.fairmormon.org/Plan_of_salvation/Sons_of_Perdition/Eventual_fate, http://emp.byui.edu/satterfieldb/quotes/Sons%20of%20Perdition.htm. The LDS version of the King James Bible and the Book of Mormon help us to understand that the word black is actually a Hebrew idiom, meaning gloomy, dejected, or spiritual darkness, and has nothing to do with skin tone. (To see his baptism for the dead record and other temple work done for him, click here.). 2:8-10) Jesus' atonement provided immortality for all people. And thats why men alone get, I mean need the priesthood. In the parable of the wedding of the kings son, the king discovered that a guest was not properly attired in the required wedding garment, i.e., righteousness. It's not as simple as you make it out to be. Jesus also referred to outer darkness in two parables he gave during the last week of his life. Each person must reap the harvest of the seeds sown in this life. Those who have never received the light are not to become Sons of Perdition. 25:30). 40 talks in 40 days for General Conference, Fundamentalist Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints. 12:22; Morm. 67, LDS Church Archives. And now behold, I say unto you then cometh a death, even a second death, which is a spiritual death; then is a time that whosoever dieth in his sins, as to a temporal death, shall also die a spiritual death; yea, he shall die as to things pertaining unto righteousness. The word hell is mentioned twenty-three times in the New Testament: fifteen times in the Gospels, twice in the book of Acts, once each in James and 2 Peter, and four times in the book of Revelation. Yet I never was baptized and confirmed into this church. How many people. Mormon Wiki, for example has a pretty specific definition of who doesnt go there but lacks any citations: Sons of Perdition as those few souls who have been born on this earth who have been made partakers of Gods power, yet suffered themselves through the power of the devil to be overcome, and to deny the truth and defy God by denying the Holy Spirit after having received it, denying the Only Begotten Son and put him to an open shame. They openly and knowingly fight against God and Christ, having sided with Satan even though they had once tasted of full gospel knowledge by the power of the Holy Ghost.There are those who fear that they have committed the unpardonable sin, because they have not been faithful members of the Church. J. Reuben Clark, Jr., Church Leaders and the Scriptures, [original title When Are the Writings or Sermons of Church Leaders Entitled to the Claim of Scripture?] Immortality and Eternal Life: Reflections from the Writings and Messages of President J. Reuben Clark, Jr., Vol, 2, (1969-70): 221; address to Seminary and Institute Teachers, BYU (7 July 1954); reproduced in Church News (31 July 1954); also reprinted in Dialogue 12/2 (Summer 1979): 6881. The apostle James taught that the tongue is a fire, a world of iniquity . The Book of Mormon teaches that only through the Atonement of Christ can one escape the damnation of hell. Jacob testified that without the infinite atonement all mankind would be forever subject to the awful monster, death and hell, and thus would become like the devil and his angels (2 Ne. Ah yes, well with clarity like that, why would Jeremy ever doubt them and ask for official sources! If this is the case, the worst fate any former Latter-day Saint can anticipate is the telestial kingdom. There are ten references to the lake of fire and brimstone in the Book of Mormon. In this parable, a king arranged a wedding for his son, but the normal guests did not come; therefore, the king sent his servants to gather guests from off the street. . what about that 1/3 the host of heaven who didnt follow Gods plan Joseph F. Smith was so sure qualify as Sons of Perdition were NONE of them women? In The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints (LDS Church), a son of perdition is a person who will not take part in the glory of God in the afterlife. [2] For a discussion of the New Testament words that translate hell, see The Oxford Companion to the Bible, ed. Oh yes they did: after a man has sinned the sin against the Holy Ghost, there is no repentance for himlike many of the apostates of Christof the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. Christ brings to pass the resurrection of all menThe righteous dead go to paradise and the wicked to outer darkness to await the day of their resurrectionAll things will be restored to their proper and perfect frame in the Resurrection. It is provided through Christ's atonement and received by personal faith in Christ as Savior and Lord. 34:3435; note Almas repetitive use of the word state in Alma 40:1112; see also D&C 101:9091; 133:7073). The righteousness of some (Abraham or Lazarus) cannot erase the consequences of anothers sins (the rich man). . 9:4. Outer Darkness. Required fields are marked *. (-Joseph Smith in the King Follett Discourse), There is my definition I used in my previous post. Outer darkness is a eternal place of torment reserved for those who are sons of perdition. According to LDS scripture, this will be a place that where there is weeping, and wailing, and gnashing of teeth (Doctrine and Covenants 101:91; also see 133:73). True, some former Mormons have expressed doubts and wondered if the church might possibly be true, which is a completely natural response after having left the one true church. If they decided they made a mistake because they still believed the church were true, they would be more apt to rejoin it rather than stay excommunicated and fight against it. 5:22), as were those who failed to cast away their sins (JSM 5:34; cf. John did not define the second death other than to make it synonymous with the lake of fire and brimstone that awaits the wicked. Who of the following is NOT eligible for Outer Darkness. With the sons of perdition, however, even this blessing is denied. So get what they deserve. Yet how many sins and wrong choices has every humanincluding me and youmade? Through baptism and confirmation by priesthood authority, you became a member of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints (True to the Faith: A Gospel Reference, 2004, p. 21, So, even if you attended LDS Church services, sang the hymns, and even partook of the weekly sacrament, yet you were never baptized and confirmed into the faith, you can never become a son of perdition. We probably do not want to know how horrible it is just like in this life, some things that are so horrible that happen (especially to children) wed rather not know about it, if possible. This objection is inconsistent since Mormonism teaches that Lucifer's demon forces, which are clearly destined for "outer darkness," make up one-third of God's "children" (Bruce R. McConkie,Mormon Doctrine, p. 195). Is Jesus the Only Redeemer? Jesus warned that those who mocked their brothers by saying Thou fool were in danger of hell fire (Matt. Also, Joseph confuses things further by combining words typically used with Hell to describe outer darkness: A sinner has his own mind and his own mind damns him. There are possible characteristics of a son of perdition. According to the churchs website: The followers of Satan who will suffer with him in eternity. After the millennium, after the last great battle between the forces of God and the forces of Satan, Satan and his followers will be cast into Outer Darkness. In the Book of Mormon the phrase lake of fire and brimstone is used as a metaphor for the suffering that awaits the wicked. This is in contrast to the VAST MAJORITY OF PEOPLE, who will receive a kingdom of glory after the Final Judgment, and enter into one of three degrees of glory after the resurrection: celestial, terrestrial, or telestial kingdoms. According to Smith: It is very clear in the Doctrine and Covenants Section 76:30-37, that the only persons who will be completely overcome by this dreadful fate are the sons of perdition who go with the devil and his angels into outer darkness. (Answers to Gospel Questions 5:107-108). Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, The. (See D&C 76:2835, 4448.) to become a son of perdition? Think along the lines of a religious leader serving God but the opposite. Just because Hitler, Mao, and Stalin along with Judas Iscariot (as mentioned above) never became Latter-day Saints apparently provides them with a much higher privilegea life in the telestial kingdom over those who once believed but left the true fold, kicking and screaming in their continued fight against the restored church of Jesus Christ. 22:13) if it is also a place of perpetual fire (Matt. But behold, the resurrection of Christ redeemeth mankind, yea, even all mankind, and bringeth them back into the presence of the Lord. In Christianity, the "exterior darkness" or outer darkness is a place referred to three times in the Gospel of Matthew (8:12, 22:13, and 25:30) into which a person may be "cast out", and where there is "weeping and gnashing of teeth". Everyone but the Sons of Perdition and the devil and his devils, will overcome spiritual death through the Atonement of Jesus Christ. We will, however, address some of the portrayals of other LDS beliefs and practices that were depicted in this episode. Additional doctrinal truth concerning the great gulf can be found in the Doctrine and Covenants (see D&C 138:1837). At the same time, prophets and apostles have taught that you can be sent to outer darkness for simply disbelieving or for apostasy or for being a part of a religion that doesn't have apostles. hell.. They did what they did with their eyes open, and were in rebellion against God. For those born in this life, the person must be a former member who knew Mormonism was true but still rebelled and went against the truth while still knowing it was true. Those mortals who never join the LDS Church (through baptism) cannot become sons of perdition. [2]. In Mormonism, it depends. 18:8), hell fire (Matt. For those who once were baptized and confirmed into Mormonism, what is your status? When I was Mormon, I was taught that in order to be sent to Outer Darkness (I'm a woman, that will be relevant in a second) you had to have an UNMISTAKABLE KnOwLeDgE of Christ, and then turn your back on God and deny him. So lets turn to that bastion of all wisdom that Jeremy Runnells was blamed for not believing and turning to with questions: FAIRMormon: The church has no official position on this issue. Therefore, they have drunk out of the cup of the wrath of God, which justice could no more deny unto them than it could deny that Adam should fall because of his partaking of the forbidden fruit; therefore, mercy could have claim on them no more forever. Ellipsis mine). 11:23). This website is not owned by or affiliated with The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints (sometimes called the Mormon or LDS Church). Joseph restated that anyone who apostatized from the church was a son of perdition in a poem for W.W. Phelps, Sons of Perdition as those who are ever lost, and can never return to the presence of God, the poem declared that such is the torment apostates receive. (Joseph Smith, The Answer to W.W. Phelps, Esq. Utterly turn against god. A) Never had a body B) Did evil things in this world C) Never joined the LDS Church D) All of the above are true. Which means that really, no one knows anything about this. In the teachings of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints (LDS Church), "outer darkness" has two separate meanings.. One of the messages of the Book of Mormon is that people sometimes lose the desire to repent. Hell is a state of suffering, both temporary and permanent. Again Mormons think this is a very hard place to get into. Its just Scary bad. While some apparently have taught that these spirits could be restored to a kingdom of glory, 12th President Spencer W. Kimball said this wasnt true: In the days of the restoration there apparently were those who taught that the devil and his angels and the sons of perdition should sometime be restored. This analysis will first briefly review what we know from the teachings of the Restoration about hell, second death, the lake of fire and brimstone, and outer darkness. The third use occurs in the parable of the talents: "And cast ye the unprofitable servant into outer darkness: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth" (Matthew 25:30). Joseph Fielding Smith who said that this class is composed of all who have known the power of God in this mortal life and then, having full knowledge of the power and purposes of God,rebel against him, putting Jesus Christ to open shame (Doctrines of Salvation 2:219-220. I did cite sources spoken from the pulpit by a prophet. John the Revelator heard Christ proclaim that he possessed the keys of hell and of death (Rev. 20:14), or the outer darkness (Matt. 22:13-14, D-R.). Thirty-three times it stands alone, without modifiers or explanation of what it means, as in And thus we see the end of him who perverteth the ways of the Lord; and thus we see that the devil will not support his children at the last day, but doth speedily drag them down to hell (Alma 30:60). 20:1315). Whether Christians have believed hell to be literal or figurative, the New Testament metaphor of an unquenchable lake of fire has conjured up for believers in the Bible harsh images of souls consigned to never-ending punishment as recompense for their evil deeds done while on earth. In this context, outer darkness is the spirit prison, or that part of the spirit world that the wicked inhabit prior to their resurrection. One of these guests, however, appeared without the proper wedding attire. It clarifies how using an obscure quote does not define LDS doctrines or dogmas. To the Church in Smyrna the Apostle John wrote: He that overcometh shall not be hurt of the second death (Rev. But suppose, deep down, I do believe the church is true. In each of the New Testament references to outer darkness, Christ declared the punishment that awaits faithless and wicked people. . [4] Augustine, The City of God, trans. This site uses Akismet to reduce spam. But Mormons do not believe that just because a Prophet said it, that it makes it true. 6:28), hell fire (3 Ne. When the king asked, "Friend, how camest thou in hither not having a wedding garment?" Brigham Young University Professor Larry E. Dahl reported: The word hell appears sixty-two times in the text of the Book of Mormon. The manual Gospel Principles sheds additional light: There is no forgiveness for them, for they denied the Holy Spirit after having received it. That being said, I don't think it really matters at the end of the day, because if it is all real, I want to stay clear away from anyone who the Church says deserves the Celestial Kingdom. 14:34), awful hell (1 Ne. In the rest of the article, were going to have to assume that Mormonism is true (of course, I dont think it is!) And since we know that prophets speaking define it, this is the definition we should use. King Benjamin defined the cause of this great torment: Therefore if that man repenteth not, and remaineth and dieth an enemy to God, the demands of divine justice do awaken his immortal soul to a lively sense of his own guilt, which doth cause him to shrink from the presence of the Lord, and doth fill his breast with guilt, and pain, and anguish, which is like an unquenchable fire, whose flame ascendeth up forever and ever. In the D&C, the definition of those who go to Outer Darkness is stated as: the end thereof, neither the place thereof, nor their torment, no man knows; Neither was it revealed, neither is, neither will be revealed unto man, except to them who are made partakers thereof;Nevertheless, I, the Lord, show it by vision unto many, but straightway shut it up again; Wherefore, the end, the width, the height, the depth, and the misery thereof, they understand not, neither any man except those who are ordained unto this condemnation (D&C 76:45-48).

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