An earlier Western Cartridge load delivered 2,660 fps, which I suspect is closer to the truth. Can Coolers | An Official Journal Of The NRA, Find More Great NRA Publications Perfect For Every Interest, Discover Everything That The NRA Has To Offer. The .35 Whelen is a powerful medium-bore rifle cartridge that does not require a magnum action or a magnum bolt-face. Winchester introduced its initial trio of belted magnums in the mid-1950sthe .458 Winchester Magnum, .338 Winchester Magnum and .264 Winchester Magnumand all were designed for the long-action receiver, using a case length equal or similar to the .30-06 Springfield. Also, after a few dozen elk hunts, Ive seen many taken effectively with lighter cartridges. While most of the .35 caliber rifle cartridges are powerful medium bore numbers designed for use on large (CXP3) game like elk and moose, the most popular .35 caliber rifle cartridge is the .35 Remington. That version is in some dispute, with evidence that Whelen himself developed the cartridge or at least worked with Howe on its development. Loved by gun guys and rejected by the huddled masses, this is perhaps the most underappreciated cartridge of them all. On the other hand, you must hit it well, because if poorly hit, an elk shows strength and stamina and may cover many miles of tough country. with a similar 180-grain bullet. Blocker Outdoors Finisher gloves, headcovers and other accessories are available in Mossy Oak Bottomland and Mossy Oak Obsession NWTF camouflage patterns to match various turkey hunting terrain. So if you have a .375 (or larger) and a yen to take it elk hunting, be my guest. Cartridges of .25 caliber and below are not ideal elk cartridges, especially if a big bull is a potential. The bullet went in behind the near shoulder, struck the far shoulder from the inside, and the blue bull hit the ground with a thud. The .358 is vastly underated as the Whelen. Well, it betters the velocity of the .35 Whelen by at least 200 fps, much the same as the .338 Winchester Magnum does to the .338-06. Copyright 2003, 2012 by Chuck Hawks. The .358 Norma Magnum is a rifle cartridge introduced in 1959 by Norma. Elk hunting can be extremely physicalnot only steep country, but also altitude and sometimes deep snow to buck. Honestly, the concept of being overgunned is somewhat mystifying to me, provided you can place the shot. Included in that have been a whole bunch of deer, hogs and a bear or two. Sadly, I cant find a single major gunmaker chambering this cartridge today. In Johanssons case, disdain for serious training left him vulnerable when the superbly conditioned Patterson came back a year later, gave him a dazzling boxing lesson and reclaimed the title. The .350 Rigby Magnum is, in the words of veteran Professional Hunter Robin Hurt, a perfect caliber to hunt lion and leopard. With a few exceptions, most African countries require a minimum of .375-caliber cartridges for thick-skinned dangerous game like Cape buffalo and elephant, and that makes sense in most instances. Is there a way to find out what year it is by serial #? Elk Venison and Root Vegetable Stew Recipe, Best New Thermal Optics from the 2022 SHOT Show, Venison Backstrap with Sweet & Spicy Peach Relish Recipe, Tested Tough - Modern Zeiss Sports Optics. Posts: 46,063. The norma would cost more if I had to open the bolt face. It was predictable that the .356 Win. On June 26, 1959, Sweden's Ingemar Johansson demolished Floyd Patterson in the third round of their first heavyweight title fight in New York. Moving down a notch and comparing the .35 Whelen (250 grain bullet at a MV of 2400 fps) to the .30-06 (220 grains at 2410 fps), which have nearly identical case capacity, we find that the optimum game range (OGW) on 1000 pound animals is 10 yards for the .30-06 and 100 yards for the .35 Whelen. Kali Parmley of Gun Dog Magazine talks to George Thompson from Benelli USA about the new features from the Benelli line in 2023. Cartridges that in many cases cannot match the killing power, at normal hunting ranges, of comparable .35's. Mag. These work, but my thinking has changed over the years. The 338/06 when compared to the .35 Whelen only beats it with the lighter bullets and not by much. Years of development and pushing the limits of what is possible in a rifle optic have led up to this moment. DoubleTap loads the 180-grain Barnes TTSX bullet at 3100 fps, and the 225-grain Swift A-Frame at 3000 fps, giving options to the hunter who wants the most versatility from their big-game rifle. Nils Kvaleone of the chief designers at Normahad experimented with a shortened .300 H&H case, necked to hold 8mm bullets, with the rim turned down to match the 8x57 rim diameter. Copyright 2000-2023 24hourcampfire.com, Inc. All Rights Reserved. Around eight pounds set to go is a good compromise. Remington loads a 200-grain PSP Core-Lokt bullet at a muzzle velocity of 2775 f.p.s. The better ones create mild gallery or small-game loads that are economical, quiet, virtually without recoil and best of all a lot of fun to shoot. Of the bullets used, several performed extremely well, including the Bear Claw and a Nosler 250-grain Partition. Hornadys LEVERevolution pushes the performance up a notch with a 200-grain pointed bullet at 2225 f.p.s. Its a decent cartridge, but American hunters just wont flock to it. We've got you covered. .22 LR7mm-08 Remington8mm Remington Magnum.338 Federal.224 Valkyrie.338-06 A-Square9.3x62mm Mauser.257 Weatherby Magnum.45-70 Government.300 H&H Magnum.25-06 Remington.30-06 Springfield6.5 Creedmoor.300 Remington Ultra Magnum7mm Remington Magnum.470 Nitro Express.280 Remington.300 Winchester Magnum.270 Winchester.222 Remington.45 ACP.404 Jeffery.44 Remington Magnum.41 Remington Magnum.243 Winchester.338 Winchester Magnum.357 S&W Magnum6.5-284 Norma8x57 Mauser.38 Smith & Wesson Special7x57mm Mauser9 mm Luger.35 Whelen.454 Casull.375 H&H Magnum.45 Colt.22-250 Remington10mm Auto.308 Winchester. In fact, the recoil of the .358 Norma Magnum, at about 35 ft. lbs. That is quite a few cartridges considering that there is not a single best selling rifle cartridge in the bunch. Released in 1959though there were no factory chambered rifles or factory loaded ammunition available for the new cartridgeNorma offered chamber reamers and new component brass for its new brainchild. As well, most bullet manufacturers produce soft, 200-grain roundnosed bullets intended for the .35 Remington, and these fit a wide range of uses. That 225-grain bullet has a sectional density (SD) value of 0.251, a bit light for what is normally considered to be appropriate for dangerous game. Im voting no. The hunter from afar, journeying into unfamiliar country, must also accept the pressure of a limited period of time and the knowledge that it may come down to just one chance. 358 norma mag is a rarer bird but as I understand fire forming 300 win mag brass an easy way to feed it. The Norma factory load, with Normas own 250-grain bullet, performed poorly, coming apart in the chest cavity. And Barnes makes a 200-grain TSX bullet designed for this cartridge that, when handloaded to 2850 f.p.s., allows the .350 Rem. Bottles & 12-oz. I'd go with the 35 whelen. The softpoints were used for the various antelope species, dangerous cats and even buffalo, while the full-patch, non-expanding solids would be used on elephant. This is basically a deer and black bear (CXP2 class game) cartridge, although it is reputed to be superior to cartridges in the .30-30 class for game weighing over about 400 pounds. Today the .35 caliber family, at least in North America, includes the .357 Magnum, .35 Remington, .356 Winchester, .358 Winchester, .35 Whelen, .350 Remington Magnum and .358 Norma Magnum. Then come the .30s, and now were talking business. The sad truth is that the active list of current .35-caliber rifles and cartridges is tragically short. I'm sending my 270 tikka off to JES rebore to get it punched out to 35 whelen. Follow along to see exactly how. The big case certainly made its reputation with the 250-grain bullets, as their sectional density gives excellent penetration on even the heavy-boned animals, and the .358 Norma can push them to a muzzle velocity of 2750 fps. The long accepted story was that James V. Howe developed the cartridge in 1922 and named it in honor of his friend, gunwriter Col. Townsend Whelen. For the one perfect all-around elk rifle, Im not sure you can beat the good old .30-06. Avoid quick-opening bullets, especially match bullets; instead, choose controlled-expansion designs intended for hunting larger game. The .35 Whelen is a fine elk cartridge. Blocker Outdoors Finisher gloves, headcovers and other accessories are available in Mossy Oak Bottomland and Mossy Oak Obsession NWTF camouflage patterns to match various turkey hunting terrain. There have been many others, such as the .35-30 Maynard (both in the 1865 and the 1882 versions) and .35-40 Maynard. Would be nice to have a 35 Wheelie, 350 Rem and a .358 Win. Mag. [quote=encorerbHmmm, makes me wonder. As it turned out, having a great punch was not enough for either one. By coincidence, in that same year, Norma Projektilfabrik of Sweden introduced its own heavyweight champion, the .358 Norma Magnum. An elk offers a large target, so extreme magnification shouldnt be necessary. loaded with a 180-grain Oryx bullet to the .358 Norma Mag. Also H&R 1871, Inc., offered single-shot rifles in .35 Whelen from 1994 to 1996. Publisher Kevin Steele is in the Beretta booth with Logan Killam, the Shotgun Product Manager, to discuss the all new Beretta A300 Ultima Turkey. .470 Nitro Express. Thier wouldn't be any action mods required to do the Whelen,just rebarrel and enjoy. Size aside, American elk are very tough creatures. and is a good cartridge for hunting the thick woods for deer, hogs, black bear or even elk. So, if you have an interest in carrying an ultra-rare cartridge of impeccable pedigree, you either roll your own or have someone load it for you. Follow along to see exactly how. Pet Loads and Handloader are registered trademarks of Wolfe Publishing Company. lbs. The cartridge is closely related to the .308 Norma Magnum. Contributor Brad Fenson takes to the grill, to cook up some delicious venison burgers. The rifle, cartridge, and bullet must be capable of handling that one opportunity. Among my own favorites for the .358 Norma are the Nosler Partitions in both 225 and 250 grains, Swift A-Frames (225, 250, 280) and various Woodleighs, including the unique 310-grain Weldcore. The 250-grain .358-inch bulletwith a sectional density of 0.279if properly constructed, has enough length to handle the brown bear and bison, and all of the African plains game species, plus lion and leopard. It was introduced in the bolt-action Model 70 in which it was trustworthy, but boring. Movement is more random in big country. The rivalry between the .338-inch and .358-inch bore diameters has a considerable history; both topped out at 300 grains (at one point in time in history), and both have a lower end of 180 grains. Mag. Back in 1983 Winchester introduced the .356 Win. My favorite hunting round. Why the public abandoned it so quickly is a mystery to me. The bullet was the then-new Trophy Bonded 250-grain Bear Claw. With such a wide range of both cast and jacketed bullets available, and todays variety in powders, the .358 Norma has an embarrassment of riches when it comes to load possibilities. Perhaps thats how it should be, the masses rarely embrace true greatness. factory load is a 250-grain Oryx bullet listed with a muzzle velocity of 2723 f.p.s. But starting in the late 1950s, the .338 bore size gained considerable tractionthanks to the emergence of the .338 Winchester Magnum. In rifle cartridges, we usually take the safe route and .30-caliber has emerged as the American shooters choice. Ive had a 350 RM in a 600 Remington since the 60s. And those sentiments can be an awful lot of fun. Synthetic wins over laminate because laminates, strongest of all, are also heaviest. Though still under construction, Im eager to take the classic cartridge into the hunting fields. plowed fresh ground. Why cant we love the .35? ), but with considerably less recoil. of muzzle energy. Out of stock View Details . All in, it weighed over 11 pounds, which is too heavy. Food for thought, is it not? It put an exclamation point on that lung shot. necked up to .35 caliber. I have one, of course, and it is fun to shoot, but I would never use it on a serious big-game hunt. The M700 has been a popular action for building a rifle in .358 STA, a wildcat based on the 8mm Remington Magnum. Why the .35 Rem. The original Schultz & Larsens were sold without iron sights, and they were installed on my rifle afterward. So while some of my rifle choices may have been oddball, none of the rifles Ive used for elk have been exactly wrong. Read today's "The Armed Citizen" entry for real stories of law-abiding citizens, past and present, who used their firearms to save lives. The 25-degree, 30-minute shoulder gives plenty of room for powder, and though the neck of the .358 Norma measures less than the desired one-caliberit comes in at 0.328-inchthere is plenty of neck tension to hold the bullets in place without the need for crimping. Here in North America, you could take the .350 Rigby anywhere youd take the .35 Whelen or .358 Norma Magnum, and that includes north to Alaska for the great bears. The case capacity of the .350 Rigby is very similar to that of the .358 Norma Magnum, and the performance is likewise similar. The .45-70 is another very popular cartridge. it is complicated further by a requirement for different burning rate powders. Not necessarily top dollar everything. Quite honestly, the .350 Rigby isnt a cartridge Id describe as practical, but if you are looking for something quite left of center, this may be for you. Compare the .308 Winchester and the .358 Winchester, which are based on the same case, and the .358 wins hands down. It will kill farther than that, of course, but that is its optimum range. That year, Remington also brought out the Model 673 Guide Gun in .350 Rem Mag. in an 8.5 pound rifle, is comparable to the much more popular but less effective (on CXP3 class game) .300 Weatherby or .300 Remington Ultra Magnums. Short of a wounded elephant or Cape buffalo in thick cover, there is no game I can think of for which you could not concoct a load in the .358. The major problem with light loads is getting enough pressure to provide a good gas seal. when fired in a 7.5 pound rifle. Although such weight is rare, a big bull can exceed 1,000 pounds. Ruger made a few bolt-actions some years back, and Remington made rifles in the 700 Classic line, but they are long gone. Also as I have a lot of 357 pistol bullets I was figuring on being able to use them as reduced loads/smaller game options in either big 35 cal should I go that route. [1] The .35 Rem. No matter if its books, art or hunting cartridges, its only those with a deep understanding of the subject who can fully understand the greatness often buried in obscurity. Looking for previous installments of our "Behind the Bullet" series? Re: 35 whelen vs 358 norma mag vs 9.3 x 62, Powered by UBB.threads PHP Forum Software 7.7.5. It, as you know, can be loadeddown to be a 35 Whelen but the reverse is not true. 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Heeding the advice of American friends, Kvale worked on what would become the .358 Norma Magnum. Wolfe Publishing Company | 2180 Gulfstream Suite A | Prescott, AZ 86301. Also, the 35 Whelen will not do much that your 350 and 358 already do, if anything. Either way, the Newton is the unbelted twin of the .358 Norma. Common loads fire a 200-grain bullet at 2,800 fps (about 3,480 foot pounds of energy), a 225-grain bullet at around 2,600fps (3,380 foot pounds of energy . Twenty years ago, I might have said .338 Winchester Magnum was the perfect choice for elk. As a result of all this activity, .358-inch diameter jacketed rifle bullets are available in a wide range of weights and styles, from 150-grain semipointed to 200- grain roundnose, all the way up to 310 grains for the heaviest game. From limited experience of loading for two different 358 Norma Magnum rifles (a Schultz & Larson Model 65 and a Custom Sako AV) I used to neck up new Winchester 338 Win. My 35 Whelen will run 250gr partitions at 2700 fps with power pro 2000 powder. They include both the AccuBond and the Partition 225-grain bullets with a muzzle velocity of 2800 f.p.s. For every action there is an equal and opposite reaction; that is one of the physical laws of our universe. The .356 Win. There werent many factory .358 Norma Magnum rifles mademost were Husqvarnas or Schultz & Larsensbut many American gunsmiths converted the Mauser 98, Springfield 03-A3 and the like to the big .35, as it made an absolutely perfect choice for those headed north to Alaska. Most rifle elk hunting is not like bowhunting during the bugling season. of muzzle energy. Tried and true. PerH AH fanatic Joined May 8, 2021 Messages 536 Reaction score 813 Location Norway Articles 2 Jun 4, 2021 #5 Shortening the 2.85-inches long .375 H&H case wasnt exactly a revolutionary ideathat little-known .275 H&H so closely resembles the design of the half-century younger 7mm Remington Magnum that its uncannybut with the Winchester marketing machine the concept was brought to the forefront. i have a 35 whelen and love it. It arrived with three other cartridges designed to compete with Winchesters popular lever-action lineup. This is because it was discontinued in the mid-1970s, and reintroduced by Remington in 2003. In the mid 70's I picked up a 358Norma. But perhaps youre not after thick-skinned dangerous game. pushes a 200-grain bullet to just more than 2000 f.p.s. However, that may be changing, or at least the possibility of change may exist. You can never lead if you always follow; the other cartridges were designed to chase Winchesters success, while the .35 Rem. and the 6.5 mm Rem. For more specialized uses, Speer makes a 180-grain flatpoint (semispitzer)that, with reduced loads, turns the .358 Norma Magnum into a pussycat for recoil but is easily capable of handling game such as black bears and white-tailed deer out to 250 yards or so. A cross-section of loads for the .358 Norma Magnum include the (1) Sierra 125-grain JHP, (2) Sierra 170 FMJ, (3) Speer 180, (4) 200-grain cast bullet and a (5) Sierra 200 roundnose. The body of the .350 Magnum measures 0.517 inches at the base, smaller than the 0.589-inch base of the .416 Rigby. First, it will do everything the .338 will, and a bit more. The cartridge predates the more famous .416 by three years, and the .350 Rigby was the first to feature the sharp 45-degree shoulder which is the hallmark of the Rigby designs. The full spectrum of our many 7mms, from 7mm-08 and 7x57 on up to the fastest 7mm magnums, are also fine, but they are not magical giant-slayers. and .35 Rem., it was an excellent woods rifle for hunting whitetails. Just have it rebarreled to 9.3X62, and you will have a 358 Norma with five in the magazine! and .32 Rem. Whelen would not. The .350 Remington Magnum is the only cartridge that appears on both lists of current and obsolete calibers. Thanks for any thoughts. But the .416 is certainly not the only cartridge to bear the Rigby surname; read the works of Walter Dalrymple Maitland Karamoja Bell, or Col. Jim Corbett and the .275 Rigbybetter known as the 7x57mm Mauserwill get all sorts of praise. Copyright 2000-2023 24hourcampfire.com, Inc. All Rights Reserved. Shorter and more common than the magnum-length receiver needed for the .375 and .300 Holland & Holland Magnum, the Winchester Model 70s and Remington Model 721s gave a new level of performance when chambered for the new magnums. Somehow, years ago, I got the notion that it is not prudent to be opening the bolt face of a 700 from standard (270W) to magnum (358N). When chambered for cartridges such as the .243 Win., 6 mm Rem., .308 Win. I own several rifles in this cartridge and all my .35 Whelen rifles are accurate. Synthetic stocks arent always lighter than wood, but they are stronger and more stable, and elk hunting can be hard on rifles. Another vote for something different.The 358 STA would be the one. in a rimmed cartridge that would work in a lever-action rifle. The .358 Win. After ten years of not getting drawn I sold it it was too much gun for most of my hunting. From there, you can work up until you find a load that gives you the accuracy and velocity you want. One can almost hear the echoes of Norma Mag. I'm looking for a simpler project on this one. A failed product is often said to be ahead of its time, which is usually just a polite way of saying nobody wanted to buy it. In the shooting sports we call that reaction recoil or "kick." However, the majority of American deer hunters dont live in elk country, but many dream of going elk hunting. Coming from me, this conclusion may shock you, so let me give you another surprise. I don't hunt Kodiac island nor elephants so utilizing the 06 case to build an elk rifle, lower 48 grizzly country rifle works for me. This was not the factory bullet from the 1960s, with its mild-steel jacket, but a later one. I am often criticized for following the Elmer Keith school in suggesting powerful cartridges. You can start with the 6.5mms. In its 112-year lineage, it has probably taken more elk than all other cartridges combined. I have one, and I like it a lot. With a 200-grain bullet the .35 Whelen actually shoots a bit flatter than the .30-06 Sprg. The numerous magnum .30s are also excellent, but they deliver more recoil. A monster buck is different from a fork-horn or a fat doe. Publisher, Kevin Steele is with Brett Marquardt from Streamlight Inc. discussing the new Streamlight Pro Tac 2.0, the latest edition in the Pro Tac series. I would also expect it to handle anything in North America from deer to the big bears. As a "stopper" for use on dangerous game the .358 Norma is clearly superior to the .300 Magnums. I took it to Texas in 1989 and decked a nilgai at about 90 yards. Maybe I'll just get a 375 H+H instead of going the Norma route. The .35 Caliber Cartridge Family(.357 Mag., .35 Remington, .356 Winchester, .358 Winchester, .35 Whelen, .350 Rem. Throw a belt on the .35 Newton and you couldnt tell the difference three feet away. R Rocky Its spawn, the .351 Winchester Self Loader, fared a little better, but it was never in danger of greatness. In a letter written to friend Townsend Whelen during early 1920s, Leslie Simpson-- one of the first Americans to become a professional hunter in Africa--opined that the hunting world needed a .35 caliber cartridge . If we compare the .300 Win. To reach the .300 mark, youd need a 270-grain bullet (the North Fork and Woodleigh bullets come immediately to mind), but stabilization becomes an issue in the slower twists, and thats long been a problem in .35-caliber barrels. 2023 Outdoor Sportsman Group. In the entry on the .358 Norma, it maintains that, had Norma convinced a major American riflemaker to offer the chambering in the early years, it could have become one of the greats. It shoots well and is light and easy to carry while hunting. Out of stock View Details . The .35 Rem. The .35 Win., .35 Newton and .350 Griffin & Howe Mag. They will also slap down lighter game like deer, feral hogs and black bear with authority, of course. Sure, you can get away with it, especially with todays extra-heavy bullets, but I think its foolish. factory load is a 250-grain Oryx bullet listed with a muzzle velocity of 2723 f.p.s. Meanwhile, the .358 Norma fizzled, for lack of a better term, because rifles were not readily available, ammunition was expensive and hard to get, and it found itself in direct competition with one of the great American cartridges of the twentieth century, Winchesters .338 Magnum.

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