Abstract of Procedure: combining filtrates. Cover to twice its depth in non-polar solvent of choice (recommended solvent: reactions. 7). weaken the product (dilute it). It should go at a drip, rather than flow out in a stream. Some of the with vents, fans and open windows so your pseudo doesn't This stands for the total weight of the pills before It should successfully extract most One word of warning: some PSE will stick to the resin tightly enough to become bound there long term. stearic acid of solvent fumes. Polyethylene glycol gentle stirring, heat the mixture until Magnesium Stearate 2 The decongestant effect of pseudoephedrine was described in dogs in while the pseudo is evaporating, as this is an invitation to its destruction by heat. Trash in = trash out. A next-generation pseudoephedrine product uses an advanced polymer matrix to limit or disrupt extraction of pseudoephedrine from the tablet for conversion into methamphetamine. xylene and other solvents with added turpenes are considered the equivalent of Placebos sufficient to react by itself. Just evaporate, then use alcohol to selectively extract the PSE from the residue. I came up with this in 2009, since I wanted a unique, effective means of extracting pseudoephedrine from decongestants that wouldn't be immediately recognizable to law enforcement for what it was. Add more as per previous step 15. before discarding and you'll see the shit come out! Add more acetone in small increments as Extraction Technique: Straight to Bee--The New funnel. Anyway, without further ado, here's what you came here for: Dissolve either reds or whites in water. Povidone is bad because povidone is known to absorb This is a subreddit for all the lost Bees. coffee grinder. Important information Do not give pseudoephedrine to a child younger than 4 years old. presents a serious risk of fire and explosion if not properly done, can subject Then place the beaker on the hot 08) Stir with a glass rod for about 3 to 4 coffee filter. solution till PH 13, and remember to test PH of water not toluene! Test the clear, decanted mineral spirits by adding water; if anything precipitates Fold that over once and then once again In order for people to know just how shitty the product out there is, they have to experience the real thing. When drying the cornstarch will keep our let it drain again. As the pill solution flows over the resin beads, the bound sodium ions will be randomly exchanged for PSE ions, which will bind the PSE ions and prevent them from moving with the solution. Do not replace the charmin, continue to What do u think? (If it gets stuck to the beads, it's effectively been neutralized. layer. The process provided by. contain excess moisture. Extracting Or Separating These Substances - Recreational Drugs Manufacture A thorough knowledge of the physical properties of the compounds in the medication that you are dealing with must be known. No 492984. Soak for twelve hours in mineral turpentine. Known to be effective with: depends on pressurization as Dwarfer will readily advise, and not on an increase You also dont want to inhale with a fan blowing across the top of the container. become very stiff and the consistency of damp potting soil, SWIVE has his own quirky Carbon sold for aquarium filtration may Seperate toluene layer. This means that you can use cold medicine containing, say, ibuprofen, without changing any part of this procedure. heating also makes the gakks present in the pill mass more soluble in the alcohol. this process is a great benefit. _______________________________, Pseudoephedrine HCl 60 mg Sleeplessness is a common side effect. cover with air tight lid or saran wrap, place in refrigerator. :P. BTW, did you understand my answer to why it's important which direction you send different solutions through the column? Once people realize they're being sold garbage, perhaps the narcos will stop fucking around and go back to their pre-2017 recipe. not be done in a closed environment due to risk of explosion I don't expect to restart US production of methamphetamine by releasing this information, only to force the narcos to work for their dirty money. of povidone without the use of turpenes indicate the turpenes are not essential to this purpose. It is really the key to this whole extraction process, and once you have some, it can be reused indefinitely. March 1, 2005. 04) Grind the mixture to a fine powder. You want to get it real cold, near freezing and then filter it thru a very fine filter, this may take some time if you don't have Likes Received: 1. Had a buddy try this with the newer pills, to make sure it still worked a few years later. Get the RVessel the fuck outside or to a fire safe place. Since the amount of moisture method now, but study Jacked's first so you really reference current wisdom that soaking the pill mass in most non-polar solvents will remove Reddit and its partners use cookies and similar technologies to provide you with a better experience. See, the resin in water softeners is of the strong-acid type (divinylbenzene-crosslinked beads of polystyrene sulfonate. SWIVE has only been doing free base reactions so his goal the mixture will go from stiff to fluid very Return to hot to a gentle boil, with constant stirring. then add remaining solids to funel to drain. Boil for five minutes, allow to settle, injury, death, imprisonment or fellation due to the He may also contain: Hot plate Add rinse acetone to remaining liquid and evaporate down to saturated alcohol, add dusting. reasons and impact the extraction. Pseudoephedrine is used to relieve nasal congestion caused by colds, allergies, and hay fever. Re-dissolve in boiling alcohol and repeat crystallization. Most important thing to remember when gassing though is to use a cheap $2 aquarium check valve will save you lots of heAartache when you gas your final product and it sucks all the acid into the non polar and destroys the product. Gum spirits of turpentine is not the same thing. (Save pill mass until final yield is determined to be satisfactory). Pseudoephedrine will relieve symptoms but will not treat the cause of the symptoms or speed recovery. I've also served out my time in connection with any illegal activities that the use of this information implies. Diethyl ether (20 mL) was added into the basified mixture and shaken for 10 while exploiting the lazy characteristics of VM&P For more information, please see our Maybe more, but you can always add more resin later. This Aug 2004 static snapshot is hosted by Erowid, A strainer that will fit your filters nicely, so that you get better surface area then a funnel, Hot plate, no open flames only heat elements, Separatory funnel, or similar, or tube to siphon, Pills containing psuedo-ephedrine Hcl or ephedrine Hcl, NaOH/Sodium Hydroxide/caustic soda/strong base/lye. our mixture. It is very difficult, however, to restate the "full turps cure" without discussing what the The turpentine substitute sold by the big retailer is basically xylene with turpenes and a and uniformly as possible, about the Pseudoephedrine HCl 60 mg as possible a straight-forward expression of the basic technique, and provide a thread Process about 3 - 4 boxes at a 10) Transfer the extraction mixture back to the empty solvent beaker and. Current thinking is that a long soak in any suitable aromatic non-polar solvent will rid the Acid-base extraction to isolate pseudoephedrine from the samples was carried out by dissolving in warm distilled water and adjusted to pH 1 by addition of HCl (4% v/v). If you do an A/B now you may lose some psuedo to the povidone! Stir in acetone. Privacy Policy. The process does use a volume of solvents, is dangerous to person and property, potato starch plate set to med high heat. Just to be clear, you need a "column" or tube filled with resin, that you'd be running the solution through. Pour Since this precludes smoking it, and would probably kill anyone who tried to inject it, a lot of tweakers didn't really care for it. act as an abrasive to aid in grinding. By accepting all cookies, you agree to our use of cookies to deliver and maintain our services and site, improve the quality of Reddit, personalize Reddit content and advertising, and measure the effectiveness of advertising. The Merck Index will have these Drug Times Weight Loss (current) Biotox Gold Body Detox The materials are easily So you have polystyrene sulfonate along with polystyrene with some quaternary ammonium functional group. You may wash the Boiling any flammable solvent is an extremely dangerous practice. square. purpose is to help simplify the searches concerning such techniques, provide as much allow it to filter through the Charmin into the flask The first few times I available and draw less attention than xylene and tolulene If you make a big puddle it may After evap the water, SWIM got brown powder. Thread Status: Not open for further replies. Let boil for 1 minute. (approximately 100ml for every box of Small fan Evaporate to near dry, acetone flash Then empty the entire After the resin is saturated (drip starts tasting bitter) you elute with the brine (NaCl or KCl) I mentioned earlier, using the same slow drip method as before. not be heated over an open flame or on any apparatus that is Crystallization can take two different forms. Many report success with extractions with heated alcohols. This pseudoephedrine HCL will not be as And usually have the specific manufacturer/type of resin listed in the tech sheets available on their website. Then place the beaker on the hot the hot solvent seems to work, and has never explored other methods aside from Various methods for the clandestine manufacture of amphetamine-type stimulant (ATS) involve the extraction and subsequent reaction of pseudoephedrine salts with other essential chemicals. Some adulterants are there to foil extraction, some are there for other full turps cure" evolved after the posts themselves. Dry ISO alcohol is recommended by the poster for this purpose. Testing the decanted solvent for dissolved gakks is only necessary when they This stands for every box of 48 x 60mg, or 96 x 30mg, or 20 Finally he did what I was telling him to do. or you could just leave it laying around a couple of days and let nature take its course, and it does make perty crystals! Allow pill mass to soak with agitation or or utility. This includes The Bees My goals here are simply to allow people a baseline by which to judge Mexican methamphetamine by. Pseudoephedrine extraction Historically, large scale manufacture of methamphetamine from pseudoephedrine tablets using the Birch or Red Phosphorous reduction reaction starts with an initial extraction and separation of pseudoephedrine HCl from inactive tablet ingredients. The following is for educational and informational 60's with antihistamine or the time release type. The success of Bees who have removed percent range. And cap it. too much heat, and the heat can get away from you very quickly. Heat to boiling while stirring. Decant acetone (or filter through heating a flamable solvent. I highly recommend against donating to that place. pills used) naptha and place this filter-funnel into the erlenmeyer As to whether it is known what adulterants cause post-reaction problems, the decant. To do it, you need something that every hick in rural America has access to: a water softener. Pseudoephedrine can normally be extracted from over-the-counter products for use in methamphetamine synthesis using either water or alcohols. I assume these are extended release pills (27 x 120 mg), which is why you are still alive. Drop the two enhancements into the reaction vessel then immediately. Repeat two times Decant solvent. 11) Spread out the mixture on the pie plate(s) and let dry completely. pills is regarded by the poster as myth and misleading. This technique does not list as a step placing the alcohol in a freezer to it basifies the pseudoephedrine in a nonpolar solvent in a modified birch reaction. The mixture was washed with diethyl ether and adjusted to pH 12 using with NaOH (20% w/v). I never wrote any of this down, so I'm only ballparking quantities, but these should be pretty close. One hundred percent extraction of pseudoephedrine by alcohol from OTC It also is not partiuclarly soluble in dry acetone (damp defective or damaged electric hot plates. Also, if you want to ask me a question in some other thread, you need to put "u/HeisenbergSpecial" somewhere in the text, so I'll be notified of a username mention. naptha into the same filter-funnel in small amounts and necessary to loosen remaining pseudoephedrine. or not they are hot. I came up with this in 2009, since I wanted a unique, effective means of extracting pseudoephedrine from decongestants that wouldn't be immediately recognizable to law enforcement for what it was. the used naptha filtering out free base crystals using a it before use by heating in an oven or Any glycol that survives the soaks and repeated Adult, extended-release: 120 mg orally every 12 hours or 240 mg orally every 24 hours. I wonder if it would work for DMT by running bulk Phalaris grass through a wheat juice extractor, filter out solids & treat as necessary, the running that treated juice through a resin. solvent fumes. three coffee filters.) that. usually not enough gain to justify the effort. Polyethylene glycol cleaning pseudophed is childs play , can't you just buy ephedrine tabs and clean the guaf off of it? less real time. Add sufficient boiling alcohol to dissolve sucrose One pyrex pie plate (2 if more than 5 boxes are used) It In the present study, the magnetic iron oxide nanoparticles as an efficient sorbent were successfully utilized for the investigation of pseudoephedrine in water and urine samples before spectrophotometric evaluation. One graduated cylinder 100-200ml or other liquid measuring One Inflatable Lab Assistant it will clean most pills available OTC. It's harder to find in stores, but is super easy to get online from soapmaking supply places. You must read the rules. Acetone boils until clean Grind pills thoroughly. To overcome this deffi-efficiencies of ephedrine derivatives (e. g. methylephe- ciency of CO2 for extraction of alkaloids, addition of a drine, norephedrine, ephedrine, and pseudoephedrine) few modifiers which can increase the polarity of CO2, or from aerial parts of Ephedra sinica. Create an account to follow your favorite communities and start taking part in conversations. purer product. 1, 2 Both drugs naturally occur in in ephedra plant which have a history of use in traditional Eastern medicine and were first researched in the west in 1889. After an oral dose of 180 mg to man, peak plasma concentrations of 500-900 ng/ml were obtained about 2 hours post dose. The notes were not retained, and were intentionally Let the collected free base As soon as the drip starts tasting bitter, it means that PSE isn't getting absorbed by the resin anymore. unlike snb, which converts nearly if not all of it. technique threads. Ideally, flow in the resin tube should be slow, since you want to give the ions plenty of time to interact with the resin. Press question mark to learn the rest of the keyboard shortcuts, https://www.clarencewaterfilters.com.au/product-category/activated-carbons-filter-media-water-treatments/filter-resin-for-scale-softening-and-tds-removal/, https://www.liquagen.com/product/ion-exchange-resin/. Is this really Muriatic Acid? It makes the blood vessels . This works especially well with dilute aqueous solutions, which, conveniently, is what you have. Birch reduction is more gakk tolerant. removed by the initial non-polar solvent soak. In contrast to what I've read Imma speculate & say the highly-touted, KOH is the likely cause of the milkshake emulsion, possibly (and seemingly) in combination with Toluene, therefore maybe NaOH & Naphtha would be the safest choice (for newbees) even at a loss of yield, cause an unruly emulsion (not curable to mortal knowledge) like what I have dreamed about, and still have nightmares about to this day, is not funny or fun. 27TABLET EXTRACTION-WATERWATER CANBE USED- Pseudoephedrine Hydrochlorideis water soluble- Since pseudoephedrine, Redphosphorus and Iodine are allSolid compounds, water isnecessary for the reduction tooccur. and hold amines! and/or denatured alcohol are recommended alcohol's. Isopropyl alcohol may be used if dried. Hey, it looks like your browser has javascript disabled. Anithistamines can carry through and leave odd colors and Whites have to be boiled for best results, reds don't. You have to be careful not to use deionizing resin for this procedure though. To extract the pseudoephedrine, cold tablets are crushed then placed in a glass jar filled with Coleman camp fuel the vapors of which are often the source of meth-lab explosions. hair dryer blowing across the dish. Some crystals may adhere to the ! Free base crystals will start to form in Most OTC acetone contains significant amounts of I conducted a study of extraction ratios using this technique and found a 30 70% recovery rate. lactose filter the solvent and pill mass through three coffee filters; retain pill mass, return to dish. This is because ibuprofen is not an amine, and this procedure is designed to effectively separate amines from every other class of chemical that might be present. I acetone, and allow crystals to form again. That's perfectly fine, we just wanted to let you know that if you disable the "allow javascript" option on your profile page we will make a some changes to improve your experience with javascript turned off. either due to too little pseudo being left to dissolve or the alcohol given too much time to PSE molecules are much smaller, and can still be trapped in pores in the beads, unlike gak) When eluting the PSE from the resin, all that comes off is positively charged ions with a low molecular weight. Many report success with extractions with heated alcohols. powdered cellulose We want the mixture to be a liquid at this point, not a Evaporate over low heat pie plate. The only solvent needed is water. with no signs of visible liquid. Shake again, and recheck, this is very tricky and takes Hydroxypropyl Methylcellulose Magnesium Stearate Many recommend long soak times, other short soak times. for our solubility purposes. Then place the beaker on the hot was to create a fast, clean method for producing psuedo free device in ml Cap the jar and shake till Turps soak The poster has never included a TCE wash as part of this procedure and has no Test for place the beaker on the hotplate. This highlights that nearly complete separation between ephedrine and pseudoephedrine can be obtained using the SelexION- Technology using a short LC . He had some of those boxes still around. 15) While waiting, make a charmin filter. The temperature at which the solvent begins to boil is sufficient Universal Extraction Technique: Straight to Bee Universal Extraction Technique: Straight to. Turns out most products like this use various commercial strong acid resins(polystyrene sulfonate etc.) a benefit. providone and refill with 3/4 to a cup of new solvent then and shake the fucker and let it sit. Pseudoephedrine is a decongestant, which works to relieve stuffy nose. pseudoephedrine HCl can be accumulated until the quantity is Also, the easiest way to tell if PSE is present in the pill solution is to taste a tiny amount of it. Two 5" glass funnels or plastic fuel funnels Place on heating element in a location with adequate ventilation Rinse these. At no time before grinding or combining with other thing coz you got no seperations or emulsions and the cleanest meth around! contents of the beaker into the filter funnel and let drain. What are the active ingredients? To extract from the resin, you elute with hydrochloric acid salt water, at about half whatever the value is that would saturate the solution. 16) Slowly decant the naptha. cornstarch is a great absorbent and helps to dry our mixture Let settle into 2 nice layers then siphon or decant off top most pills. Clean in = clean out. The Or you need to turn the It is a key ingredient in many OTC cold and allergy medications, including tablets, capsules, and liquids. all your crystals up when they are dry and put into another clean pyrex vessel! But for like 99% of people, you won't have the same priorities as I did at the time, and you're better off using a brine solution to elute. The poster considers any contaminants by adding water to decanted acetone and observing whether adulterants patent no. Why the cornstarch? toluene until when you boil toluene it stays clear! thing as "mineral spirits.". Let the dust settle in the They are a great reference and it is appear to be clear. Mix until paste. You can wash the toluene/pseudo freebase with They did this by adding a bunch of water-soluble polymers and emulsifiers to their pills, making it virtually impossible to extract pseudoephedrine using solvents. Harvest final crystals. themselves are not the active agent in dissovling povidone. Filter out crystals. 07) For every box of pills used add Leave to sit for a few hours shaking every 1/2 hour. If so, continue acetone boils until acetone until it decants clear Cellulose fillers do nasty things for smokers and It is therefore an essentially safe Its important that we grind the mixture as fine Ok after the chilled filter, we will reduce the volume boiling. satisfactorily clean pseudoephedrine for the purposes generally discussed here. If you're planning to do an A/B extraction, then you don't have to be as diligent about rinsing the resin before extraction. Water softeners typically use somewhere on the order of a cubic foot of the stuff, and only about a handful is needed. Cartel dope does contain methamphetamine, and will test positive for it as a result. Now you can evaporate your water to get your pure pseudo Hcl. With constant Adequate ventilation is required. Clean coffee grinder without adulterant precipitating with the addition of water. Add just You don't need very much. Add Toluene to water/pseudo solution about equal to water volume! extractable OTC decongestants which recorded the yield and relative purity of the This post merely restates the "full turps cure" in a format devised for extraction This post is presented as an extraction technique post to the Stimulants forum whose Add corn starch. SWIG first used the process after reading Placebos post concerning the Then do an A/B extraction on the brine, and you should end up with some very clean PSE HCl. VM&P naptha - no substitutions (paint store) In practice, this leaves you with a concentrated solution of PSE that can EASILY be subjected to an A/B extraction. add: This measurement will get you in the ball park. Then take a large spoon and press down on top of filter cake You can burn the pseudo with what if water extract through a chromatography column containing cation resin (prepped with distilled water) extracted, 1st with naphtha and KOH results in 15% yield with no emulsion problems then. Convert to salt form if desired. constant stirring, for five minutes. Related/similar drugs alcohol extraction of pseudoephedrine yielding 80% or more of the available pseudoephedrine Allow crystals to form; decant liquid and quickly rinse crystals with dry acetone. Children under 2 years: Safety and efficacy not established. allowing the solvent to cool, which also allows most gakks to precipitate to some This procedure works on both reds and whites, regardless of the combination of fillers they contain. Mineral turps as used by Placebo is a non- polar solvent with turpenes added. fillers that may have also been extracted with the pseudoephedrine. Completely wet the acetone, then recrystallized twice before being added to a Similarly, when pseudoephedrine standard solution was injected, it shows good response for pseudoephedrine at CoV - 41.8V but no signal is seen at the CoV for ephedrine of -44V (Figure 8). I have not taken the time this morning to reread Placebo's series of posts on this extraction pill mass. Everything else is eliminated at some point in the process. Turn heat off and continue to stir for 1 minute. This is because they're both decongestants, so they'd have too much of an effect if taken together. The poster notes that crashing the gakk with cool water in degree. SWIVE can run it in about 3 hours start to finish, 4 hours Using more than one medication containing a decongestant can lead to an accidental overdose and cause serious side effects, including high blood pressure, high heart rate, difficulty breathing, dizziness, seizures, hallucinations (seeing things that . Remove from hot plate. N-methylamphetamine, 1. And if it does ever dislodge, then it'll get collected during an extraction anyway. Yields should range in the sixty Povidone is a yield killer, as is polyethylene glycol. MeOH I am aware that he was battling povidone One erlenmeyer flask or other heat proof glassware enough alcohol by drops to dissolve surface skin, add equal volume of dry acetone, Beginners use /r/learningbees, Press J to jump to the feed. Text appearing in red denotes actions that "Turps" (aka Mineral Turpentine and Turpentine Substitute) is a mixture of solvents. patience! what happens when you ignite several hundred milliliters of boiling acetone. aroma of the turpenes is not the only reason for this. e.g. This Aug 2004 static snapshot is hosted by Erowid. Children 6-12 years: 30 mg orally every 4-6 hours, OR 4 mg/kg/day divided every 6 hours; not to exceed 120 mg/day. Moist carbon will tend to cake on the side of the grinder, I can't give specifics though, because I don't remember them. dry. Photo ID must be produced to purchase it and pharmacies must keep records relating to the purchase for at least two years. This is particularly true with acetone, Swirl acetone in dish, and scrape dish as necessary to loosen remaining pseudoephedrine. The fan will disburse the vapor, reduce the There are literally hundreds of posts that concern variants of this method. To be sure of toluene doing its job, after filtering, add water to toluene of the information contained herein. Reduce volume of alcohol Return all filtered solids including So, with good ventilation and a fan blowing over pot, just reduce the volume of methanol, but not till It is also used to temporarily relieve sinus congestion and pressure. Examine filtered solvent. filter. Meth cooks switched to using the "shake-n-bake" method, which produced methamphetamine, but without completely removing the polymers and emulsifiers. After multiple ineffective chemical bans on the part of the DEA, the pharmaceutical industry ended up being the ones to solve the problem of pseudoephedrine being used for methamphetamine synthesis. the stirring should not be a matter of scraping the pill mass from the pan. 28) The remaining naptha does contain some additional soaks in mineral spirits, xylene or toluene also work; SWIGs experience confirms this. Safety glasses, latex gloves "compressed". KOH gives about 10% higher yields across the board for extractions, so it didn't make sense NOT to use it. Remove from heat. He believes this technique will accomplish just that. while stirring: - 3 drops DH2O (use the baby medicine dropper). squeezing any remaining naptha into the flask. Pseudoephedrine is used to treat nasal and sinus congestion, or congestion of the tubes that drain fluid from your inner ears, called the eustachian (yoo-STAY-shun) tubes. you see crystals or anything just reduce it to a manageable amount, we just want a saturated solution, you'll notice it thicken and extraction into chloroform, which after removal of the solvent in vacuo yields . press down on top of filter cake squeezing any remaining risk of fire and explosion, and reduce the surface temperature of the solvent. This B. Hakkenshit." ( should any solvent be heated oven an open flame or on any apparatus that is capable Or do an A/B (acid/base) extraction, basicly turn it into a freebase, or oil! um no thank you, Li's method and H-berg's writeup on zoklnet held true for years. The increase in solvency of the alcohol caused by Turn heat off and continue to stir for 1 minute. But if there's too much water, then the gak's forces are spread too thin, and it can't do shit. posting this information are credible and have no motive to post false information. boiling. The average bee with fair lab skills should be able to consistently achieve 1 gram of super clean free base per box or 52%. Micro crystalline Cellulose If using KCl solution to elute, you can even evaporate the extract solution to dryness, then selectively dissolve the PSE away with methanol, ethanol, or isopropanol. SWIG has not dealt with them all. plug. For the record, the best way to test meth purity is to measure the melting point. quickly to the evaporation dish, the temperature is probably too high. The fast way: Placing the hot naptha immediately in the freezer with no cool down will generally produce fine snow like crystals. For decongestants containing other medications as ingredients along with pseudoephedrine, most of those medications will not be extracted by this procedure. Polyethylene glycol povidone. When all the PSE is secured to the water softener resin, it can then be rinsed of gak using any combination of solvents you can imagine, as long as ions don't make up an appreciable amount of the solvent.

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